Paying jimmy butler the figure they did when no other team was willing to pay him that amount was not shrewd business. Heat tried to trade him for two years and no one wanted to pay that extension number. Not market value.
Couldn’t help think of that when you wrote no one else is really willing to offer horford the mid level.
I don’t think teams would be willing to use assets to clear space to sign jk because the dubs have put it out there they will match anything.
Thanks. I don’t completely agree with you in that Jimmy wasn’t coming to the Warriors unless he got the full extension. So, I mean, I think that was the right decision by Dunleavy. Now, we can talk about wrong decisions he’s made, too (Chris Paul for Jordan Poole and the 2030 pick, for example).
As for the Horford-waiting-on-JK debate: look, it is just not financially responsible to sign Horford before Kuminga as long as there is even the remote possibility of another team making moves to screw GSW past the second apron. There’s lots of parallels to this in real life, like buying something on credit when the paycheck hasn’t cleared, or in sports betting when you’re robbing Peter to pay Paul, that sort of thing.
Now, if it’s Horford IRL who is getting antsy, then that’s a discussion. When it’s FANS who are getting antsy — to fulfill what desire? — then please keep yourself in check and put logic ahead of emotion. Thanks for reading, even though we disagree on those points.
Oops, forgot to mention: another mathematical hurdle with the Horford-waiting-for-JK debate is that nobody knows (maybe not even JK himself) if he’s taking the QO. If he does, things might change, even though I wrote about an example of giving Horford the same $5.8M, although it would then be out of the NTMLE instead of the TPMLE. I wonder how that paperwork goes in the NBA, even? Who knows, procedurally it could be impossible to sign Horford if you don’t even know which exception you’re actually using (?). But I could be wrong — watch Alfred (Alfred!) sign today and blow this comment out of the water lol.
I don’t disagree on emotions vs cap math. What I’m saying is no team in the league was going to give Jimmy 54 million dollars and horford the mid level, so they overpaid the market.
Those moves were/are going to be made with some emotion, not pure “what is the market value at”
What I'm saying is, you have to respect negotiations. You cannot expect Jimmy Butler to act like a robot. Same with Dunleavy. It's human negotations with deep human understanding that "for me to come to the Warriors, bro, Mike, my Bulls teammate, you KNOW I need that extension" and Mike goes, "Yep, I know and I know it's a gamble for us, it hogs up our salary cap and I'm willing to make the deal and take responsibility for it." Voila, 25-7, get into the playoffs, make a run -- ended by injury to a GOAT. NOTHING. TO. BE. MAD. ABOUT. Lol
Thanks for well written post. Three comments.
Paying jimmy butler the figure they did when no other team was willing to pay him that amount was not shrewd business. Heat tried to trade him for two years and no one wanted to pay that extension number. Not market value.
Couldn’t help think of that when you wrote no one else is really willing to offer horford the mid level.
I don’t think teams would be willing to use assets to clear space to sign jk because the dubs have put it out there they will match anything.
Thanks. I don’t completely agree with you in that Jimmy wasn’t coming to the Warriors unless he got the full extension. So, I mean, I think that was the right decision by Dunleavy. Now, we can talk about wrong decisions he’s made, too (Chris Paul for Jordan Poole and the 2030 pick, for example).
As for the Horford-waiting-on-JK debate: look, it is just not financially responsible to sign Horford before Kuminga as long as there is even the remote possibility of another team making moves to screw GSW past the second apron. There’s lots of parallels to this in real life, like buying something on credit when the paycheck hasn’t cleared, or in sports betting when you’re robbing Peter to pay Paul, that sort of thing.
Now, if it’s Horford IRL who is getting antsy, then that’s a discussion. When it’s FANS who are getting antsy — to fulfill what desire? — then please keep yourself in check and put logic ahead of emotion. Thanks for reading, even though we disagree on those points.
Oops, forgot to mention: another mathematical hurdle with the Horford-waiting-for-JK debate is that nobody knows (maybe not even JK himself) if he’s taking the QO. If he does, things might change, even though I wrote about an example of giving Horford the same $5.8M, although it would then be out of the NTMLE instead of the TPMLE. I wonder how that paperwork goes in the NBA, even? Who knows, procedurally it could be impossible to sign Horford if you don’t even know which exception you’re actually using (?). But I could be wrong — watch Alfred (Alfred!) sign today and blow this comment out of the water lol.
I don’t disagree on emotions vs cap math. What I’m saying is no team in the league was going to give Jimmy 54 million dollars and horford the mid level, so they overpaid the market.
Those moves were/are going to be made with some emotion, not pure “what is the market value at”
What I'm saying is, you have to respect negotiations. You cannot expect Jimmy Butler to act like a robot. Same with Dunleavy. It's human negotations with deep human understanding that "for me to come to the Warriors, bro, Mike, my Bulls teammate, you KNOW I need that extension" and Mike goes, "Yep, I know and I know it's a gamble for us, it hogs up our salary cap and I'm willing to make the deal and take responsibility for it." Voila, 25-7, get into the playoffs, make a run -- ended by injury to a GOAT. NOTHING. TO. BE. MAD. ABOUT. Lol