Nov 17, 2023·edited Nov 17, 2023Liked by Poor Man's Commish
Did not watch the video... however have a few thoughts on what I read...
Yes there are different pieces of basketball culture in different gyms and different communities.
Yes, many players play the game as they learned it in their communities and gyms.
Yes, often it is hard to understand the style of play from gyms and communities that are different from what one may have grown up in and be accustomed to.
I have no overarching issues with Draymond's style of play. At times he may take it too far for my liking.. just as sometimes Klay looks like he is just a shoot all the time gunner, or Steph tries too much fancy passing and long distance heat check shots. That is definitely who they all are as players, and the Warriors have been very successful with that from all three.
I do not think that necessarily means that one hates where they come from... Steph and Klay come from privileged NBA families, Draymond does not.
To me most of the negative reaction to Draymond's style is just basically not understanding the game of basketball as played in all manner of gyms and communities.
He helps his team win games, his teammates and coaches respect the intensity that is his style of play.
I think the aggressive borderline violence is what shocks many.... and I feel that is from people who have not experienced that form of basketball. I've experienced it in many different basketball gyms and courts. I don't always understand it or agree with how it plays out, but do understand that it is part of the game of basketball.
The thing is that at the NBA level most, if not all, of the players should be familiar with many different styles of basketball that come from the different gym cultures. They don't hate where Draymond comes from.... It is so competitive that many other issues come into play... especially of course money.
For me as a fan who has played my share of non formalized competitive basketball I am more than willing to accept lots of plays and trash talk and moves that I may not agree with, but understand that this all a part of a game that I love... especially because of at the different styles and backgrounds that players bring to the court. I think that many others do not see that and are not so open to understanding the differences that players have.
The point of all this is that this kind of street basketball is not what is represented and accepted at the NBA level (anymore), and not what the NBA brand wants to convey. You can argue all you want that in some communities, rough play is accepted. It’s just not done in the NBA anymore. Those are now the rules in that community and if players want to play at that level, they should accept them or not play.
A lot of players get paid millions even if they do play rough street basketball. The NBA has accepted that and put up with it ... up to a certain point... then they will fine, suspend, etc. but I think the owners and the league understand that is part of the appeal. It keeps the product in the media focus.
Nah, how can you hate a place you've never been? Your story about leagues reminds me of my Hawaiian/Chinese dad (from Maui) who met and married my 50 shades of white Mom in college in Michigan. He then dropped out of college when they were expecting my brother (she stayed in college) and headed to Chicago to work two jobs while temporarily living out of his car. His day job was near two neighborhoods, one that was predominantly Polish, and the other predominantly black. After work, he'd hang dry wall. Because f WWII and the Korean war, there was some prejudice against asians (in the Mid West), but he was fairly tall and athletic. He got along in black and hispanic communities, and he met all kinds of people in white/mixed communities who weren't sure what he was, but figured being from Hawaii was OK, since that's America. Picture a hawaiian/chinese guy saying "Howdy." To make a long story short, he got invited to football, baseball, volleyball, and everyone's favorite, basketball - gyms, parks, leagues, and pickup. They played in all kinds of neighborhoods, and sometimes was there was trouble. It was important that your team had your back, so you could all get out in one piece. As a child it was hard to picture my Dad fighting. He said be polite and don't start fights, but you never let people push you around, and be prepared to end fights. Guess it worked for him!
Well can't beat 8 vs 5...🤣😄..thanks NBA and refs for ruining the game and the fans. Imagine you paid top dollar to watch lower level at Chase on NBA cup tournament, already bummed Steph not playing and then they throw out Klay and Green...lol I'd like to see your too many refs article..
Was excited and signed up for YouTubeTV and even LeaguePass just to watch the Warriors. Game is ruined for me, Easy early tell for me is how the game is called, its so easy for opposing team and coaches, all they need to do is run a top of the key action and drive to the basket! They know the refs got them and it will be either a freethrow or easy basket. Basketball is a game of runs and the refs know this. I've cancelled YTTV and Leaguepass. I'll spend my money somewhere else..
Here's Pat Beverley drawing the "hood" card. It's just part of the culture. He's definitely placing more value on Austin Reaves' "too small" celebration because such verbal jousting was more prevalent in the gyms Pat Bev grew up in. I believe this clip supports my thesis: https://x.com/ClutchPoints/status/1729643649481244773?s=20
Rasheed Wallace says on Gilbert Arenas’ podcast that Draymond hung around the 2004 Pistons locker room because his friend was the GM’s son so that’s why he’s the way he is, also hopes Green surpasses his all-time record of 29 ejections (10 more to go): “That’s our fault… cause [Draymond] grew up in our locker room… that’s why he doing the bully sh*t he doing now.” https://x.com/gilsarenashow/status/1732082560942080360
Did not watch the video... however have a few thoughts on what I read...
Yes there are different pieces of basketball culture in different gyms and different communities.
Yes, many players play the game as they learned it in their communities and gyms.
Yes, often it is hard to understand the style of play from gyms and communities that are different from what one may have grown up in and be accustomed to.
I have no overarching issues with Draymond's style of play. At times he may take it too far for my liking.. just as sometimes Klay looks like he is just a shoot all the time gunner, or Steph tries too much fancy passing and long distance heat check shots. That is definitely who they all are as players, and the Warriors have been very successful with that from all three.
I do not think that necessarily means that one hates where they come from... Steph and Klay come from privileged NBA families, Draymond does not.
To me most of the negative reaction to Draymond's style is just basically not understanding the game of basketball as played in all manner of gyms and communities.
He helps his team win games, his teammates and coaches respect the intensity that is his style of play.
I think the aggressive borderline violence is what shocks many.... and I feel that is from people who have not experienced that form of basketball. I've experienced it in many different basketball gyms and courts. I don't always understand it or agree with how it plays out, but do understand that it is part of the game of basketball.
The thing is that at the NBA level most, if not all, of the players should be familiar with many different styles of basketball that come from the different gym cultures. They don't hate where Draymond comes from.... It is so competitive that many other issues come into play... especially of course money.
For me as a fan who has played my share of non formalized competitive basketball I am more than willing to accept lots of plays and trash talk and moves that I may not agree with, but understand that this all a part of a game that I love... especially because of at the different styles and backgrounds that players bring to the court. I think that many others do not see that and are not so open to understanding the differences that players have.
The point of all this is that this kind of street basketball is not what is represented and accepted at the NBA level (anymore), and not what the NBA brand wants to convey. You can argue all you want that in some communities, rough play is accepted. It’s just not done in the NBA anymore. Those are now the rules in that community and if players want to play at that level, they should accept them or not play.
A lot of players get paid millions even if they do play rough street basketball. The NBA has accepted that and put up with it ... up to a certain point... then they will fine, suspend, etc. but I think the owners and the league understand that is part of the appeal. It keeps the product in the media focus.
Nah, how can you hate a place you've never been? Your story about leagues reminds me of my Hawaiian/Chinese dad (from Maui) who met and married my 50 shades of white Mom in college in Michigan. He then dropped out of college when they were expecting my brother (she stayed in college) and headed to Chicago to work two jobs while temporarily living out of his car. His day job was near two neighborhoods, one that was predominantly Polish, and the other predominantly black. After work, he'd hang dry wall. Because f WWII and the Korean war, there was some prejudice against asians (in the Mid West), but he was fairly tall and athletic. He got along in black and hispanic communities, and he met all kinds of people in white/mixed communities who weren't sure what he was, but figured being from Hawaii was OK, since that's America. Picture a hawaiian/chinese guy saying "Howdy." To make a long story short, he got invited to football, baseball, volleyball, and everyone's favorite, basketball - gyms, parks, leagues, and pickup. They played in all kinds of neighborhoods, and sometimes was there was trouble. It was important that your team had your back, so you could all get out in one piece. As a child it was hard to picture my Dad fighting. He said be polite and don't start fights, but you never let people push you around, and be prepared to end fights. Guess it worked for him!
Well can't beat 8 vs 5...🤣😄..thanks NBA and refs for ruining the game and the fans. Imagine you paid top dollar to watch lower level at Chase on NBA cup tournament, already bummed Steph not playing and then they throw out Klay and Green...lol I'd like to see your too many refs article..
Was excited and signed up for YouTubeTV and even LeaguePass just to watch the Warriors. Game is ruined for me, Easy early tell for me is how the game is called, its so easy for opposing team and coaches, all they need to do is run a top of the key action and drive to the basket! They know the refs got them and it will be either a freethrow or easy basket. Basketball is a game of runs and the refs know this. I've cancelled YTTV and Leaguepass. I'll spend my money somewhere else..
Here's Pat Beverley drawing the "hood" card. It's just part of the culture. He's definitely placing more value on Austin Reaves' "too small" celebration because such verbal jousting was more prevalent in the gyms Pat Bev grew up in. I believe this clip supports my thesis: https://x.com/ClutchPoints/status/1729643649481244773?s=20
Rasheed Wallace says on Gilbert Arenas’ podcast that Draymond hung around the 2004 Pistons locker room because his friend was the GM’s son so that’s why he’s the way he is, also hopes Green surpasses his all-time record of 29 ejections (10 more to go): “That’s our fault… cause [Draymond] grew up in our locker room… that’s why he doing the bully sh*t he doing now.” https://x.com/gilsarenashow/status/1732082560942080360